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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 21:16 pm 
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Just wondering how chopped and welded these are? (In particular, the ones sold by Ryton Arms)

I've read that some new-spec deact PPSh-41's have a 'moving slide' - what is this exactly? Also, can the receiver be opened / can anything be field stripped?

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The front part of the bolt is welded into the breech but the rest is free to move.

You cannot however cock the weapon as they spot weld the sear down or I believe open the action for stripping.

Externally there is no difference. Obviously anyone buying a old spec version at the moment is gamabling with a lot of money and possibly inviting additional expense to carryout further work.


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The front part of the bolt is welded into the breech but the rest is free to move.

You cannot however cock the weapon as they spot weld the sear down or I believe open the action for stripping.

Externally there is no difference. Obviously anyone buying a old spec version at the moment is gamabling with a lot of money and possibly inviting additional expense to carryout further work.



Tak Tochno Comrade as a prop, the a new spec Weapon System is within the laid down Scale of Norms. :D

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All of the ones from Ryton I've seen (including my own) do have a moving bolt (or a bit of it at least) and you can indeed unlatch the top cover and remove the return spring and what is left of the bolt.

What you can't do with it is to cock it (ie lock the bolt back on the seer), athough you can lock it into place by using the safety in the "cocked and safe" mode (something which I am told Soviet soldiers are told never to do as crawling around in the undergrowth will unsafety it really quite easily... their solution? It is safe when no magazine is loaded, loading the mag is only done when you intend to use the weapon!)

Also the ejection port cover is detatched from the bolt carrier and permanently welded over the ejection port. This means that when you haul the bolt back the ejection port does not open like it would for real.

Hope that helps!

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Andrei Kozlov wrote:
Hope that helps!


Very helpful. Thank you. :D

I don't usually do Soviet stuff, but I'm currently reading a history of the USSR in WWII and it's provoked a hankering for a PPSh-41 - arguably the iconic weapon of the Eastern Front.

I don't want something that is completely welded solid and old-spec's are probably best avoided for the time being.

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i recently got mine but im having doubts its russian.it looks like the chinese typ 50! are there any sure ways to tell.it does have 1944 stamped on it but the stamps look to crisp compared to the rest of the gun.

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If its Chinese there will be Chinese markings on it...

Show us a photo of the stampings...

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Here's a link to some markings on Bill Berg's site.

http://www.ppsh41.com/markings1.htm

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Frontovik wrote:
Here's a link to some markings on Bill Berg's site.

http://www.ppsh41.com/markings1.htm

cheers for that,going by the pictures i would say its russian,which is nice to know.thanks

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