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Author:  Ranger Phil [ Mon Feb 26, 2007 21:12 pm ]
Post subject:  webbing for a 30 cal team.

what webbing would a 30cal team wear.

ive looked around havent found any info on it i was hoping one of you guys could help me out.

any info or pics would be well apriciated.

thanks guys.

Author:  Fingers [ Mon Feb 26, 2007 21:54 pm ]
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Should be moved to general section really.

Gunner would be standard carbine set up for Airborne/infantry, some gunners may also carry a carbine or a colt. Spare parts box and cleaning kit. Maybe even binoculars/compass. Assistant would be kitted out as standard with either a carbine or garand, spare barrel and parts. I cant think of anything else apart from things like range tables but that seems a little far fetched.

Author:  gliderinf [ Mon Feb 26, 2007 21:55 pm ]
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Same as Normal :wink: couple a carbine pouches, possibly the odd set of shoulder pads and Boxes either hand carried/in GP bags or in a vest (though vests not hugelly popular)

Except the No1 who may have a .45 set up.

Good point - the odd spare barrel
Parts rolls spares etc normally tucked away

Bear in mind MG team is 5 men not 2. Team leader may have binos/compass/handy talky ? Map case

Preferably no rifles, definately no Thompsons, (this is for Proper teams of course - Airborne are often very naughty boys :evil:

EG - 327th Market garden and after - Mortar teams seam to be half and half M1A1 Carbines and M1A1 Thompsons.

Author:  Ranger Phil [ Mon Feb 26, 2007 23:35 pm ]
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thanks for the help guys its much apriciated.

Author:  GlenM [ Tue Feb 27, 2007 14:58 pm ]
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Assume 5 man team:

Gunner: carrying the tripod and ammo can (according to taught practice, but in the field, often carrying the gun instead). Armed with either just a .45 Auto or M1 Carbine. Full infantry/Airborne equipment as normal.

Asst Gunner: carrying the .30 Cal itself (although in the field, normally the tripod and an ammo can). Armed wth either just a .45 auto or M1 Carbine. Full Infantry/Airborne equipment as normal.

Ammunition Bearers: Standard Riflemen with M1 Rifles, full Infantry/Airborne equipment as normal. Plus one or two ammunition cans.

Cleaning Rod in case: carried, either by Gunner or Asst.
Binoculars: potentially, although would probably borrow the Squad Leader's set.
Compass: potentially, although would probably borrow the Squad Leader's.
Handy-Talky: nah, only one is in Platoon HQ.
Shoulder Pad set: one per team (whoever has the gun itself).
Spare Parts box/roll: possibly just retained in the unit transport - stripping down an MG and replacing parts is not exactly the easiest thing to do in the middle of a battle and it would probably be done when not in combat. Depends on situation I guess - if the unit transport is too far away, then it may be carried by the team.
Spare barrel: anyone every seem one of these being carried in the field? Tend to think they would be in the unit transport as well. The .30 Cal isn't like the MG34/42 with their "quick" barrel change facility.

Cheers,
Glen.

Author:  gliderinf [ Tue Feb 27, 2007 15:12 pm ]
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"Ammunition Bearers: Standard Riflemen with M1 Rifles, full Infantry/Airborne equipment as normal. Plus one or two ammunition cans. "

Carbines!! (bloomin airborne)

"Binoculars: potentially, although would probably borrow the Squad Leader's set.
Compass: potentially, although would probably borrow the Squad Leader's. "

Yes Team leader ( teams often nowhere near reast of weopons platoon)

"Handy-Talky: nah, only one is in Platoon HQ. "

Will have - some of time

"Shoulder Pad set: one per team (whoever has the gun itself). "

Very often 2-3-4 in photos ( bloomin Airborne)

"Spare Parts box/roll: possibly just retained in the unit transport - stripping down an MG and replacing parts is not exactly the easiest thing to do in the middle of a battle and it would probably be done when not in combat. Depends on situation I guess - if the unit transport is too far away, then it may be carried by the team.
Spare barrel: anyone every seem one of these being carried in the field?"

Yes - tucked away

Author:  GlenM [ Tue Feb 27, 2007 16:00 pm ]
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Ah... but there is no team leader for a .30 cal team - just a gunner and asst gunner, with ammunition bearers roped in as required for whatever set-up we're talking about (Squad weapon or Platoon weapon).

Platoon HQ has a Handy Talky only - there's only 6 per company. Inter-platoon contact is verbal or by handsignal.

Ammunition Bearers are just Riflemen - M1 Rifles....

Cheers,
Glen.

Author:  Fingers [ Tue Feb 27, 2007 16:24 pm ]
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I knew about the gunner carring the tripod, he was then able to decide where to put the MG and chose the field of fire. He would put the tripod down, then lie down, the assistant would then hand him the gun and then loading would commence. Thats how i thought it happened anyway!

Now shoulder pads, we are talking about the load barring ones, same as airborne ones, not the big think ones like the ones used with mortars?

Author:  gliderinf [ Tue Feb 27, 2007 16:26 pm ]
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Now your just being mr Airborne again - its a 5 man team - dedicated - part of the weopons platoon!

Although the question did not say weather he meant Infantry / Paratrooper / or indeed Ranger - which i'm sure is a whole other can of worms

The radio will wander around because platoon HQ means very little when your Teams are often borrowed here there and everywhere .

Author:  gliderinf [ Tue Feb 27, 2007 16:28 pm ]
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Fingers - no we dont meen tham bits of packing material - we mean the proper Heavy weopons shoulder pads. for use with heavy weopons :wink:

Author:  GlenM [ Tue Feb 27, 2007 16:43 pm ]
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gliderinf wrote:
Now your just being mr Airborne again - its a 5 man team - dedicated - part of the weopons platoon!

Although the question did not say weather he meant Infantry / Paratrooper / or indeed Ranger - which i'm sure is a whole other can of worms


Well yes, I guess I was! :lol:

Phil - be more specific please in your question - it would help to know if we're talking about a Company set-up without a Weapons Platoon (with MG's spread out amongst the Rifle Platoons), or one with one. Or are you asking about a Ranger Battalion set-up?

Anyhow, a good website for everyone to have a look at is this one:

http://www.bayonetstrength.150m.com/Uni ... s_army.htm

The contents of this site must be weighed up against unit-specifics, where TO/E's were skewed to meet unit requirements, away from the official TO/E's (although the site does take such things into account in its notes for the different sections).

Cheers,
Glen.

Author:  Noddy1979 [ Tue Feb 27, 2007 21:56 pm ]
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Started getting confused a bit there lol. Were you talking about a MG team as part of a squad (which is 3 men) or weapons platoon? I'm guessing from the number and kit you mean a weapon's platoon section.

Author:  Fingers [ Wed Feb 28, 2007 0:46 am ]
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Lets clear it up please so that everyone understands. I think the kit part is understandable, basic set up for infantry/paratrooper, just formation needs to be cleared up.

So infantry.

Did each platoon have an MG? How many men?
Or were all MGs in weapons platoon? So how many men? (i though all .30s were in weapons platoon then moved about accordingly?)

and Airborne

Same questions.

Author:  GlenM [ Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:07 am ]
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ARRRGGHHH......!

Have a look at that website I put the link on for!! Specifically:

http://www.bayonetstrength.150m.com/toe ... talion.htm

http://www.bayonetstrength.150m.com/toe ... ompany.htm (this one is about right for 82nd Airborne in Normandy, although there had been a drive to have a BAR also in each Rifle Squad (not on the TO/E), and Rifle Squads were often only 10 men due to shortages in personnel).

Infantry weapons platoons typically did not go round in a big huddle in the field - they were parcelled out to each rifle company/platoon as support.

Cheers,
Glen.

Author:  Fingers [ Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:25 am ]
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See that i was right! YAY!

Ok next time someone posts a link i shall read before posting anything else!

But i was still right!

Author:  gliderinf [ Wed Feb 28, 2007 10:41 am ]
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:D ( wheres that bloomin rolling about laughing smiley gone!!) :D

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